Boy, did my post last Saturday about US students not going into engineering strike a nerve. Between my site, Digg and other sites, there were nearly 700 Diggs and over 200 comments posted in two days putting it as one of the top 100 Digg articles worldwide over the weekend. There were over 12,000 pages views from 1,200 different cities around the world to my site. For this kind of activity to take place on a weekend tells me that this topic is sitting on a lot of people’s minds. The core question being discussed across all was whether we have a crisis in the US or not.
Some argued that while China, India and others may have larger absolute numbers, their engineers are not nearly as innovative as their US counter-parts and hence not as productive. Even if this is true, I would argue that it is very dangerous to assume that it will remain so. We used to assume that the Chinese entrepreneurs would be content with knocking off American products are a fraction of the original price. That came to an end in past couple of years. We are now seeing silicon coming out of Chinese fabs, designed and made by Chinese engineers, that is significantly faster than its counter parts in Silicon Valley.
I still focus on the 5% number. Only 5% of our students chose to go into engineering. I believe that the arts, languages, finance and other liberal arts subjects are essential to the quality of our life, our advancement and our culture. However, cold, hard science drives much of productivity and industrial innovation. The Industrial Revolution, Computer Revolution, etc were driven by scientists. I would simply be more comfortable knowing that we weren’t relying on 1 out of 20 students to carry this torch. I don’t know what the right number is, but I’d certainly like to see it north of 15 or 20% (still only 1 in 5 or 1 in 6).
This weekend, while we were out, the police came to our house and had to chase away a stray, mangy coyote that had wandered into our yard and was stalking our dog. Our dog, Beau, is a pound dog, is half border collie and terrorizes unsuspecting lawn guys coming into our backyard. In short, Beau can take care of himself and is about 50% larger than the coyote above. That said, the police commented this coyote has killed bigger dogs than Beau in the neighborhood and would likely do so to our dog if we were not careful. Their comment was: "Beau is feed everyday and the coyote needs to win to get food." In short, be wary of competitors that are hungrier and more impoverished than you as they have less to lose and an imperative to win. And, 5% is way too low for my liking…
I liked your story about the coyote. Right to the point.
It’s actually pretty much in line with all those recommendations do not take venture capital if you can when starting your own business.
BTW I enjoy reading your blog. Very interesting and educational. Thanks!
I liked your story about the coyote. Right to the point.
It’s actually pretty much in line with all those recommendations do not take venture capital if you can when starting your own business.
BTW I enjoy reading your blog. Very interesting and educational. Thanks!
Holding out per the concept that another country won’t duplicate our creativity is a fool’s hope. Acquiring the raw “capital” (educated people) and attaining manufacturing prowess lay the groundwork for one day overtaking competing companies/countries.
I can remember as a kid in the 60’s how people said the same about Japanese consumer electronics. Not today. At first, their motorcycles and cars were derided as being low-cost copies as well. The list goes on and on.
Yes, we need more engineers as a percentage, and also a better grounding in science for all college grads. As an aside, there is nothing wrong with also having more arts/language/etc courses in an engineer’s curriculum. They may appreciate and use that diverse background down the road (I certainly did).
Holding out per the concept that another country won’t duplicate our creativity is a fool’s hope. Acquiring the raw “capital” (educated people) and attaining manufacturing prowess lay the groundwork for one day overtaking competing companies/countries.
I can remember as a kid in the 60’s how people said the same about Japanese consumer electronics. Not today. At first, their motorcycles and cars were derided as being low-cost copies as well. The list goes on and on.
Yes, we need more engineers as a percentage, and also a better grounding in science for all college grads. As an aside, there is nothing wrong with also having more arts/language/etc courses in an engineer’s curriculum. They may appreciate and use that diverse background down the road (I certainly did).
Dmitry,
Great point about the inverse relationship between raising large amounts of money and running a business hungry. Often you hear entrepreneurs saying that all they need is $2m and they will ramp their business. There are many resilient companies that got that way through running a lean business and waiting as long as possible before bringing in the institutional money. There are also a lot that got hooked on using an unending series of raises to cover up sins of the past.
To Vic’s point, most engineers would benefit from a healthy dose of liberal arts classes in their curriculum. It leads to much more well rounded individual…
Dmitry,
Great point about the inverse relationship between raising large amounts of money and running a business hungry. Often you hear entrepreneurs saying that all they need is $2m and they will ramp their business. There are many resilient companies that got that way through running a lean business and waiting as long as possible before bringing in the institutional money. There are also a lot that got hooked on using an unending series of raises to cover up sins of the past.
To Vic’s point, most engineers would benefit from a healthy dose of liberal arts classes in their curriculum. It leads to much more well rounded individual…
At the undergraduate engineering curriculum I graduated from (Texas A&M University), we had to take 5 courses outside of the engineering school to better round out ourselves as individuals. I’ve spoken to friends who went to undergraduate engineering school here that said the same thing about their schools. I think the perception that engineers aren’t well rounded comes from those that only deal with engineers that went to graduate engineering school here while attending undergraduate school in their native countries (i.e. India or China). In my opinion, there are plenty of well rounded engineers here but we have been drowned out by the masses of engineers from China or India who have been used by corporations and others as a cheaper labor source to meet their short term needs.
At the undergraduate engineering curriculum I graduated from (Texas A&M University), we had to take 5 courses outside of the engineering school to better round out ourselves as individuals. I’ve spoken to friends who went to undergraduate engineering school here that said the same thing about their schools. I think the perception that engineers aren’t well rounded comes from those that only deal with engineers that went to graduate engineering school here while attending undergraduate school in their native countries (i.e. India or China). In my opinion, there are plenty of well rounded engineers here but we have been drowned out by the masses of engineers from China or India who have been used by corporations and others as a cheaper labor source to meet their short term needs.
Ditto. I did computer engineering for an undergraduate degree, I don’t know who thought that we dont take LAS/humanities courses. I had to take 9 courses total that encompassed this area (30 credit hours!). I took economics, history, and psychology classes. Not to mention the general science classes such as physics and chemistry. Along so, math classes such as numerical analysis and calculus. I would argue engineers get the MOST rounded curriculum here, more then others since they encompass a multitude of disciplines.
People from China/India are more into pure engineering, and not rounding out. The perspective of non-engineers here needs to change , thinking that engineers only are heads-down and cannot do anything else. I’ve done everything from management to consulting to product implementation, and I have to use all facets of my mind to make sure execution occurs and technical aspects are right.
The general rule is that engineers should become managers in tech organizations. Unfortunately, Chicago does not follow this rule. This is partially the reason we are in a rut! The valley sticks with this rule, along with most east coast companies. There’s a reason why this rule exists and east coast and west coast is beating us. In Chicago, the wrong people are managing technology based organizations! Non-engineers cannot think creatively enough to create and be innovative.
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TITLE: The Importance of Passion
URL: http://evergreenip.typepad.com/view_from_bridge/2006/04/the_importance_.html
IP: 204.9.178.8
BLOG NAME: View From The Bridge
DATE: 04/27/2006 08:04:13 AM
When serendipity/synchronicity collide to bring 3 related things into a single point of focus, it’s time to start this blog off. 🙂 In no particular order, I ran across Matt McCall’s provocative follow-up post on Engineering Crisis or Not and
Ditto. I did computer engineering for an undergraduate degree, I don’t know who thought that we dont take LAS/humanities courses. I had to take 9 courses total that encompassed this area (30 credit hours!). I took economics, history, and psychology classes. Not to mention the general science classes such as physics and chemistry. Along so, math classes such as numerical analysis and calculus. I would argue engineers get the MOST rounded curriculum here, more then others since they encompass a multitude of disciplines.
People from China/India are more into pure engineering, and not rounding out. The perspective of non-engineers here needs to change , thinking that engineers only are heads-down and cannot do anything else. I’ve done everything from management to consulting to product implementation, and I have to use all facets of my mind to make sure execution occurs and technical aspects are right.
The general rule is that engineers should become managers in tech organizations. Unfortunately, Chicago does not follow this rule. This is partially the reason we are in a rut! The valley sticks with this rule, along with most east coast companies. There’s a reason why this rule exists and east coast and west coast is beating us. In Chicago, the wrong people are managing technology based organizations! Non-engineers cannot think creatively enough to create and be innovative.
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PING:
TITLE: The Importance of Passion
URL: http://evergreenip.typepad.com/view_from_bridge/2006/04/the_importance_.html
IP: 204.9.178.8
BLOG NAME: View From The Bridge
DATE: 04/27/2006 08:04:13 AM
When serendipity/synchronicity collide to bring 3 related things into a single point of focus, it’s time to start this blog off. 🙂 In no particular order, I ran across Matt McCall’s provocative follow-up post on Engineering Crisis or Not and